I’ve seen this situation several times. Umpires make the decision too soon or subscribe to the thought that if the ball hits the plate, it’s automatically foul.
While it’s ok to reverse a fair call, it’s never ok to reverse a foul call. Once you kill the play it’s impossible to go back and guess who would have been thrown out out who would reach safely or who would get extra bases on an overthrow, etc.
In my view, once foul, always foul. Getting into the business of trying to award bases on something like this gets to be a sticky wicket and is best to be avoided.
I feel bad for the umpire though…that’s a pretty bad miss. Hopefully he learned from his mistake and hopefully other umpires will not make the mistake because they learned from this video. Have to turn it into a positive.
I keep watching this one over and over…
It’s obvious that he uses the foul mechanic, but it actualy sounds like he says “Fair!” Then I try to freeze the frame to find out where the ball actually hit and I don’t have it foul ever. I’m wondering if he didn’t get crossed up on his mechanics, knowing it was fair, then noticed the play went on so he signaled fair to try to make up for it?
While I’m not sure what his call truly was, it seems as if he calls it foul and points to where the ball hit the batter. In my opinion, he was too far back from F2 to properly see what really happened. The ball did not hit plate and ball did not hit batter. I would say that poor plate positioning is what caused his trouble!
Im surprised that the Dale Scott video (you know the one.. the triple play that went HP-2-5-4-3 LOL) rather than the above. From what I can tell the signaling of foul was so minimal that very few would have caught it and then came up pointing fair. Its a distinct possibility that he could get away with just ignoring the gesture. However, if he owns his call (like we all agree that he should), then this ball must remain foul.
First time I watched it without sound. Just watched it for the first time with sound. To me it sounds like he does in fact say “foul” and then points towards home plate. Also as the video fades out, you can hear someone repeat “foul”. So no problems here. We all agree he was to quick but he called it and sounded like he stuck to it.
I’ve seen this situation several times. Umpires make the decision too soon or subscribe to the thought that if the ball hits the plate, it’s automatically foul.
While it’s ok to reverse a fair call, it’s never ok to reverse a foul call. Once you kill the play it’s impossible to go back and guess who would have been thrown out out who would reach safely or who would get extra bases on an overthrow, etc.
In my view, once foul, always foul. Getting into the business of trying to award bases on something like this gets to be a sticky wicket and is best to be avoided.
Once foul, always foul. Getting into the business of trying to award bases on something like this is quite the sticky wicket.
Depends on the rule set.
If the rules allow. It would be an easy fix.
I feel bad for the umpire though…that’s a pretty bad miss. Hopefully he learned from his mistake and hopefully other umpires will not make the mistake because they learned from this video. Have to turn it into a positive.
I keep watching this one over and over…
It’s obvious that he uses the foul mechanic, but it actualy sounds like he says “Fair!” Then I try to freeze the frame to find out where the ball actually hit and I don’t have it foul ever. I’m wondering if he didn’t get crossed up on his mechanics, knowing it was fair, then noticed the play went on so he signaled fair to try to make up for it?
While I’m not sure what his call truly was, it seems as if he calls it foul and points to where the ball hit the batter. In my opinion, he was too far back from F2 to properly see what really happened. The ball did not hit plate and ball did not hit batter. I would say that poor plate positioning is what caused his trouble!
He called it foul. By rule (NFHS), you can’t change that one. Timing, timing, timing….
Im surprised that the Dale Scott video (you know the one.. the triple play that went HP-2-5-4-3 LOL) rather than the above. From what I can tell the signaling of foul was so minimal that very few would have caught it and then came up pointing fair. Its a distinct possibility that he could get away with just ignoring the gesture. However, if he owns his call (like we all agree that he should), then this ball must remain foul.
First time I watched it without sound. Just watched it for the first time with sound. To me it sounds like he does in fact say “foul” and then points towards home plate. Also as the video fades out, you can hear someone repeat “foul”. So no problems here. We all agree he was to quick but he called it and sounded like he stuck to it.